The following is the correspondence that transpired between myself and the manager of the Bible Interpretation Webring:
I am getting complaints about pages in the ring that do
not hold the Bible as truth or infallible.
For this reason I put your page back in the queue.
The Bible said that Jesus was the Word made flesh so if the Word is
infallible then so is Jesus and this webring is in vain.
You can start your own webring if you want..its free.
<<I am getting complaints about pages in the ring that do not hold the Bible as truth or infallible. For this reason I put your page back in the queue.>>
I'm truly quite saddened to hear that you feel this way, but the webring is your own, and I will certainly respect your wishes. I do, however, sincerely hope that you will visit my site again and give the information its due attention. A little knowledge can't harm you; in fact, the more I learn about biblical history, the stronger my faith becomes.
It's important to realize that the bible has not survived in its "original" state. Certainly the canon has changed, with the removal of the Apocrypha by the Protestant church, and the scriptures themselves have undergone literally thousands of modificationssome very subtle, some not sowhich is why modern translations contain so many footnotes. Since the publication of the King James Version in 1611, we have discovered a plethora of manuscripts that predate the ones used by the KJV translators by hundreds of years, and the differences are substantial (though there is a very vocal minority that argues, ridiculously, that the KJV is the only "inerrant" English translation of the Bible). I cannot stress how important it is for all Christians to come to terms with these facts.
Being raised Protestant myself, I once bought into the idea of "sola scriptura" (only the scriptures)the idea that all truths can be derived from the book we call the Bible, which apparently was lowered down from Heaven on a rope in a nice, leather-bound volume. The problem is that a book written by fallible human beings is a very poor foundation for your faith, and it nearly destroyed mine. It doesn't take a genius to see the blatant mistakes and contradictions in the Bible, and attempts by apologists to explain and/or reconcile them are simply foolish acts of denial. Many denominations will avoid this issue by arguing that only the "original" texts were inerrant and infallible, which is completely irrelevant, since we have no original signatures of any of the bible books. And even if we did, we must also grant that the developing Catholic church had the inspiration to select exactly which texts were the infallible ones in creating the canon... and few would argue that the early Catholic church didn't make a few huge mistakes in other important areas.
<<The Bible said that Jesus was the Word made flesh so if the Word is infallible then so is Jesus and this webring is in vain.>>
First of all, your webring would certainly not be in vain, regardless of the bible's errant state. The Bible is still the single most important handbook for achieving salvation. Biblical interpretation is part of the gift of freethought and much of the reason the Bible is so fascinating. Second, your argument (which, incidentally, is circular) assumes that the "Word" referred to in John 1 means "scripture." In fact, it means nothing of the sort. The term in the original Greek is "logos," which is better translated as the "divine words and wisdom of God." In other words, Jesus was sent to speak God's wisdom for Him as a member of His creation. Certainly the "logos" is truly infallible, unlike the scriptures, which were human attempts to codify the living Word.
What Christians, particularly fundamentalists, must realize is that CHRIST, not the Bible, is the ultimate source of truth, and that the Bible, while imperfect, is the greatest TOOL that we gave to bring you to Christ. Instead, people prefer to worship the book instead of the risen Lord. This sort of "bibliolatry" leads only to confusion and intolerance (if you're not sure what I mean, check out www.christiangallery.com). I can only hope that our site can educate enough people to open a few eyes, and eventually rescue the Bible from fundamentalism.
God bless and have a very happy new year,
Geoff and Heidi Trowbridge
Its not your base webpage that is questioable but a link
on it that is.
It is called "the Bible Gospel truth?" at;
The way I see it is that 'if all' the things that were
done were 'in' the Bible; there would be 'no' contridictions and
the Bible would be an airtight story.
But God 'chose' to leave 'most' of the information 'out' ,like it said in John 21:25.
And also King Solomons wisdon is in paribles , and not obvious to all that read it.
These pages that people write just to cause others to
believe that that Bible is not to be taken seriously are against
the Bible.....unless they make it clear that God left 'most' of
what happened in the history, the wisdom, and the life of Jesus
'OuT' of the Bible...so that only those who really 'cared' will
come to know the truth.
I am sure that God would not throw pearls before swine like in Matt.7:6.
Actually I do like your page; it is that link (above) that
contradicts even your page.
Hello again. Thanks for the reply.
<<Its not your base webpage that is questioable but
a link on it that is.
It is called "the Bible Gospel truth?" >>
The page you're referring to resides at the "Iconoclast's Athanaeum" and is, of course, not affiliated with my page in any way. The page is decidedly secular and, one could argue, even hostile toward the Bible. But it is also an excellent source of information on biblical origins and interpretation.
The links that I place on my site are not intended to conform to a particular theological position. They are intended to provide the reader with as much information from every conceivable viewpoint that exists on the web. I don't agree with the secularism on the Athanaeum site, but then again, I display links to twice as many sites that advance a position more conservative than my own.
As Christians, we do ourselves a great disservice when we refuse to understand the viewpoints of non-Christians. There are reasons why people choose to be atheists, agnostics, pagans, etc. and as Christians we have a responsibility to listen to them and learn why they believe what they do. Only then can we rationally address these concerns. Some of what they believe might make us uncomfortable. But faith in Jesus Christ can deal with any of that. Faith means never having to bury your head in the sand.
Thanks for listening and have a great New Year,
Geoff and Heidi Trowbridge
Well, there are may people that are on the wall and not yet deciced one way or the other about even trying to accept Jesus.
I do not want to be an negative influence to someone like that .
Or even young teens that come to this ring, I set up the ring so that young teens could come in and get some 'positive' direction toward Jesus. The ring is 'G' rated for all ages.
And about trying to understand the ones who hate us and will persicute if they could...I really do not care about understanding them...I used to be one of them...understanding them ,I assure you , will not change them.
If a 12 year old reads that mans page that is against the
Bible the child will never forget it, being exposed at that young
Think about the things that you went through at the ages from 10 to 17 that affect your life even to now.
Anyway I do not want to be involved in causing that kind of negative input.
I have had enouph bad input in in my life that stops me from being a better christian than what I am, barely hanging in.
If that anti-Bible stuff is to be read, it should only be read by someone who already made a decision to be against the Bible or a 'mature' Adult christian.
Thank you also for reading,
"He who begins by loving Christianity better than truth will proceed by loving his own sect of the church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."S. T. Coleridge: Aids to Reflection, 1825
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